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		<title>By: Nonprofit Communications &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Market or Promote Your Cause on Social Media? Yes, You Can!</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofitmarketingguide.com/blog/2008/07/23/if-social-networking-isnt-marketing-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-107967</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonprofit Communications &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Market or Promote Your Cause on Social Media? Yes, You Can!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as Katya Andresen points out all the time, is a respectful conversation. I fear I&#8217;ll be making this point forever, but I guess marketing comes with so much bad baggage, that&#8217;s just the way it has to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as Katya Andresen points out all the time, is a respectful conversation. I fear I&#8217;ll be making this point forever, but I guess marketing comes with so much bad baggage, that&#8217;s just the way it has to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Copywriter</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofitmarketingguide.com/blog/2008/07/23/if-social-networking-isnt-marketing-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-91091</link>
		<dc:creator>Copywriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, finally a good report on this stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, finally a good report on this stuff</p>
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		<title>By: suzanne carawan</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofitmarketingguide.com/blog/2008/07/23/if-social-networking-isnt-marketing-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-75222</link>
		<dc:creator>suzanne carawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love your blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Nonprofit Communications &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best of the Blog 2008 &#38; Your Suggestions for 2009?</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofitmarketingguide.com/blog/2008/07/23/if-social-networking-isnt-marketing-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-73112</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonprofit Communications &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best of the Blog 2008 &#38; Your Suggestions for 2009?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I did a quick review of my traffic stats for this blog and here are the top ten most visited posts, ending with the most popular: If Social Networking Isn&#8217;t Marketing, Why Bother? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I did a quick review of my traffic stats for this blog and here are the top ten most visited posts, ending with the most popular: If Social Networking Isn&#8217;t Marketing, Why Bother? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grenzpfosten &#187; PR vs. Marketing im Web</title>
		<link>http://www.nonprofitmarketingguide.com/blog/2008/07/23/if-social-networking-isnt-marketing-why-bother/comment-page-1/#comment-52220</link>
		<dc:creator>Grenzpfosten &#187; PR vs. Marketing im Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] das Marketing den Haut aufhaben sollte. Eine Ganz &#228;hnliche Diskussion l&#228;uft zur Zeit bei Kivi Miller ab, die mit der Aussage Their key point seems to be that nonprofits should use social media/social [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] das Marketing den Haut aufhaben sollte. Eine Ganz &#228;hnliche Diskussion l&#228;uft zur Zeit bei Kivi Miller ab, die mit der Aussage Their key point seems to be that nonprofits should use social media/social [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Kivi, and great comments especially from Hank.  Reminds me of another mantra I like: Good marketing is not about getting your message out, it&#039;s about an audience taking it in... and talking back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Kivi, and great comments especially from Hank.  Reminds me of another mantra I like: Good marketing is not about getting your message out, it&#8217;s about an audience taking it in&#8230; and talking back.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Panepento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Panepento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kivi:

Excellent topic -- and thanks for pointing to the live discussion with Beth. She and Jonathan Colman presented some great ideas during that conversation.

The great thing that social media tools do is they open up a two-way conversation. My industry, for instance, has long been a largely one-way medium. We&#039;d go out,conduct interviews, gather information, and
tell you what we found.

Today, it&#039;s much different. We still go out and report, but readers now have the opportunity to talk back and amplify what is written through comments.

We can engage people on Facebook and twitter. We can hold online discussions in which we can put readers in touch with other readers. The smart news organizations are definitely using these tools as ways to listen to their audience and to push the discussion in new directions.

But they are also marketing themselves. We are using twitter, for instance, to point out our latest news and blog posts. We are using Facebook to alert folks about our live discussions. And we&#039;re finding that we&#039;re able to reach a whole new group of visitors to our Web site whom have never seen our work before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kivi:</p>
<p>Excellent topic &#8212; and thanks for pointing to the live discussion with Beth. She and Jonathan Colman presented some great ideas during that conversation.</p>
<p>The great thing that social media tools do is they open up a two-way conversation. My industry, for instance, has long been a largely one-way medium. We&#8217;d go out,conduct interviews, gather information, and<br />
tell you what we found.</p>
<p>Today, it&#8217;s much different. We still go out and report, but readers now have the opportunity to talk back and amplify what is written through comments.</p>
<p>We can engage people on Facebook and twitter. We can hold online discussions in which we can put readers in touch with other readers. The smart news organizations are definitely using these tools as ways to listen to their audience and to push the discussion in new directions.</p>
<p>But they are also marketing themselves. We are using twitter, for instance, to point out our latest news and blog posts. We are using Facebook to alert folks about our live discussions. And we&#8217;re finding that we&#8217;re able to reach a whole new group of visitors to our Web site whom have never seen our work before.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Kanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Kanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank,

Wow, your take on this is brilliant.  Thanks for sharing.  You really understood what I was saying!  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank,</p>
<p>Wow, your take on this is brilliant.  Thanks for sharing.  You really understood what I was saying!  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Techentin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Techentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OF COURSE &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twitter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt; is a &quot;promotion device.&quot;

According to Merriam Webster online, &quot;promotion&quot; means:
1: the act or fact of being raised in position or rank : preferment
2: the act of furthering the growth or development of something; especially : the furtherance of the acceptance and sale of merchandise through advertising, publicity, or discounting

So logically, every time a nonprofit staffer posts on a blog or sends a tweet that is work-related, it&#039;s promotion.

And yes, Twitter can be abusive, one-way communication. So can blogs and direct mail and phone solicitations and face-to-face calls. (Ever had to endure lunch with a boorish person who talked nonstop about themselves?)

People won&#039;t follow someone on Twitter unless their tweets are at least mildly interesting. Whether it&#039;s personal or professional, make it count.

The bottom line is that social networks are for both talking AND listening. Real communication (and good manners) would seem to demand that nonprofits do both. Social networks like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter and others are great places for nonprofit leaders to see AND be seen.

As Simone Joyaux says, &quot;It&#039;s not what you&#039;re selling. It&#039;s what I&#039;m buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OF COURSE <a href="http://www.twitter.com" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a> is a &#8220;promotion device.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Merriam Webster online, &#8220;promotion&#8221; means:<br />
1: the act or fact of being raised in position or rank : preferment<br />
2: the act of furthering the growth or development of something; especially : the furtherance of the acceptance and sale of merchandise through advertising, publicity, or discounting</p>
<p>So logically, every time a nonprofit staffer posts on a blog or sends a tweet that is work-related, it&#8217;s promotion.</p>
<p>And yes, Twitter can be abusive, one-way communication. So can blogs and direct mail and phone solicitations and face-to-face calls. (Ever had to endure lunch with a boorish person who talked nonstop about themselves?)</p>
<p>People won&#8217;t follow someone on Twitter unless their tweets are at least mildly interesting. Whether it&#8217;s personal or professional, make it count.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that social networks are for both talking AND listening. Real communication (and good manners) would seem to demand that nonprofits do both. Social networks like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter and others are great places for nonprofit leaders to see AND be seen.</p>
<p>As Simone Joyaux says, &#8220;It&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re selling. It&#8217;s what I&#8217;m buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hafner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hafner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldnâ€™t agree with you more, even though Iâ€™m squarely a social networking neophyteâ€¦ as is our organization. But it seems to me that the question of why bother with social networking is one of priorities and cost-benefitâ€¦ not whether itâ€™s marketing or not! As a child sexual abuse prevention NPO, we know there is a huge market out there for our messages (esp. among survivors) - and we&#039;ve been doing social marketing campaigns in local markets for over a decade. 

We were recently faced with the question of how to use social networking as a communication channel â€“ and the reality that social media is way down on our priorities list as it is for most groups, as you point out. We recently â€˜discoveredâ€™ that a Facebook cause had been started for our organization about a year ago and how has 16,000+ â€˜members.â€™ We were grateful that the cause administrator did a great job of expressing our mission and values. An intern had established a  skeletal organizational profile for us under a staffer (not on the NPO section)- and had also done some research on social networking and online communities for us. It was a few donations trickled in this spring which tipped us off to the existence of the cause. We claimed the cause, established an organizational entry in the NPO directly â€“ and connected with the founder/manager of that cause. We also connected him with one of our donors who had set up another cause for us earlier this yearâ€¦ 

Result: the conversation is started, connections made, and at least thereâ€™s a basis for supporting this volunteer network as they have demand and we have capacity.  Itâ€™s not really any higher a priority  â€¦ but continuing to understand what, how and how often communication can move through this network for mutual benefit is a higher priority. We see it as a volunteer-driven resource with certain types of limited returns - and will invest in it accordingly.  

Whatâ€™s perplexing is the view that social networks online are any different than off line. As you say, what gives this community any special status? Sure, we donâ€™t want our friends giving out addresses and phone numbers so we can be solicited or market to by any cause. But if weâ€™re doing a charity run, wouldnâ€™t social networks be the first ones to notify and ask to support something meaningful?  

What I find more troublesome on Facebook are the causes that utilize a bait and switch tactic â€“ that is, the title of the cause uses a known campaign or organization,  but the beneficiary organization of that cause is not related in any direct way.  That said, in many cases this canâ€™t be attributed to the NPO itself, but rather to one of its supporters. And, we canâ€™t get too indignant since itâ€™s a buyer beware, opt-in environment that should be self-policing to a large extent.

Appreciate your blog and resources. Sorry for the long post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldnâ€™t agree with you more, even though Iâ€™m squarely a social networking neophyteâ€¦ as is our organization. But it seems to me that the question of why bother with social networking is one of priorities and cost-benefitâ€¦ not whether itâ€™s marketing or not! As a child sexual abuse prevention NPO, we know there is a huge market out there for our messages (esp. among survivors) &#8211; and we&#8217;ve been doing social marketing campaigns in local markets for over a decade. </p>
<p>We were recently faced with the question of how to use social networking as a communication channel â€“ and the reality that social media is way down on our priorities list as it is for most groups, as you point out. We recently â€˜discoveredâ€™ that a Facebook cause had been started for our organization about a year ago and how has 16,000+ â€˜members.â€™ We were grateful that the cause administrator did a great job of expressing our mission and values. An intern had established a  skeletal organizational profile for us under a staffer (not on the NPO section)- and had also done some research on social networking and online communities for us. It was a few donations trickled in this spring which tipped us off to the existence of the cause. We claimed the cause, established an organizational entry in the NPO directly â€“ and connected with the founder/manager of that cause. We also connected him with one of our donors who had set up another cause for us earlier this yearâ€¦ </p>
<p>Result: the conversation is started, connections made, and at least thereâ€™s a basis for supporting this volunteer network as they have demand and we have capacity.  Itâ€™s not really any higher a priority  â€¦ but continuing to understand what, how and how often communication can move through this network for mutual benefit is a higher priority. We see it as a volunteer-driven resource with certain types of limited returns &#8211; and will invest in it accordingly.  </p>
<p>Whatâ€™s perplexing is the view that social networks online are any different than off line. As you say, what gives this community any special status? Sure, we donâ€™t want our friends giving out addresses and phone numbers so we can be solicited or market to by any cause. But if weâ€™re doing a charity run, wouldnâ€™t social networks be the first ones to notify and ask to support something meaningful?  </p>
<p>What I find more troublesome on Facebook are the causes that utilize a bait and switch tactic â€“ that is, the title of the cause uses a known campaign or organization,  but the beneficiary organization of that cause is not related in any direct way.  That said, in many cases this canâ€™t be attributed to the NPO itself, but rather to one of its supporters. And, we canâ€™t get too indignant since itâ€™s a buyer beware, opt-in environment that should be self-policing to a large extent.</p>
<p>Appreciate your blog and resources. Sorry for the long post!</p>
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